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A podcast that analyzes legal issues surrounding autonomous vehicles.

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When Will Autonomous Vehicles Be Available for Purchase?

We flip the microphone on our podcast host Zachary Adams.  Miami litigator Francisco “Frank” Ramos, Jr., speaks with Zach on “A Conversation With,” Defense Research Institute’s podcast where Frank interviews lawyers about their practice.  Frank is a DRI member and a partner at Miami law firm Clarke Silverglate PA; he has written seven books about law and its practice and quickly digs into some of the most important questions about autonomous vehicles.  The format gives Zach the opportunity to step back from the detail we frequently cover to address big-picture questions about autonomous vehicles and the state of laws and regulations.  You also get to know Zach better.

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Fuzzy Logic and Neural Networks

Digging into the guts of an autonomous vehicle (Part 3 of 3)

Bart Kosko, is a Professor of Electrical Engineering in the University of Southern California’s Viterbi School of Engineering and a Professor of Engineering and Law in USC’s Gould School of Law. Kosko wrote the book on fuzzy logic and is an expert on neural networks. Jay Campbell, co-founder of Tucker Ellis’s autonomous vehicle and intellectual property group and an intellectual property trial lawyer, interviews Kosko. Jay and Kosko have been friends for many years going back to a case they worked on together nearly twenty years ago. Since then, Jay has tried several cases involving neural networks and fuzzy logic. Kosko is a fellow of the IEEE, a fellow of the International Neural Network Society (INNS), and a fellow of the International Fuzzy Systems Association (IFSA).

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Neural Networks – Moore’s Law, Large Numbers, and More

Prof. Bart Kosko - (Part 2 of 3)

Dr. Bart Kosko, is a Professor of Electrical Engineering in the University of Southern California’s Viterbi School of Engineering and a Professor of Engineering and Law in USC’s Gould School of Law.  Dr. Kosko wrote the book on fuzzy logic and is an expert on neural networks.  Jay Campbell, co-founder of Tucker Ellis’s autonomous vehicle and intellectual property group and an intellectual property trial lawyer, interviews Dr. Kosko.  Jay and Dr. Kosko have been friends for many years going back to a case they worked on together nearly twenty years ago.  Since then, Jay has tried several cases involving neural networks and fuzzy logic.   Dr. Kosko is a fellow of the IEEE, a fellow of the International Neural Network Society (INNS), and a fellow of the International Fuzzy Systems Association (IFSA).

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Continental Tires Is Much More Than a Tire Company

Chris S. Egner is a product liability attorney, and a member of the Global Expert Team, at Continental Tire the Americas, LLC. Despite having “tires” in its name, Continental provides a diverse range of parts and components to the automotive industry. Its approach to autonomous technology is similarly ambitious: rolling out a robotic delivery dog (ANYmal) and CUbE, the Continental Urban Mobility Experience, a driverless vehicle, for example. Chris’s responsibilities at Continental include risk assessment and case evaluation for complex product liability, asbestos, toxic tort, and automotive systems matters. She manages external counsel throughout the U.S. during all phases of litigation. Host Zach Adams, a litigator at Tucker Ellis, discusses Continental’s efforts to develop automated driving technology safely while navigating a challenging liability and regulatory environment. Chris’s role at Continental gives her a broad understanding of autonomous technology and legal liability.

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Continental Automotive’s automated driving landing page

Chris Egner’s biography

Show Notes
1:10 Chris’s background and role at Continental
2:30 Continental’s role in the development of autonomous vehicles
3:15 Building trust in automated driving technologies; “Vision Zero”
8:05 Continental showcases its Smart Cities efforts at CES2019,
12:25 Autonomous robotic delivery dogs and CUbE, Continental’s driverless vehicle
16:20 Data centers on wheels
19:15 Deploying Level 3 automated technology
24:45 Developing self-driving technology safely
27:20 Autonomous vehicle legislation, NHTSA standards, and independent guidelines

Digging Into Neural Networks

Professor Bart Kosko Part 1

Jay Campbell, intellectual property litigator and co-founder of Tucker Ellis’ Autonomous Vehicles and Artificial Intelligence Technologies group, interviews Dr. Bart Kosko. Dr. Kosko is a Professor of Electrical Engineering in the University of Southern California’s Viterbi School of Engineering and a Professor of Engineering and Law in USC’s Gould School of Law. Dr. Kosko is a fellow of the IEEE, a fellow of the International Neural Network Society (INNS), and a fellow of the International Fuzzy Systems Association (IFSA). As will be discussed in future portions of this interview series, Dr. Kosko quite literally wrote the book on fuzzy logic.

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The Future of Smart Mobility

Kristin Slanina, Chief Transformation Officer (and long-time automotive engineer), and Mohammad Hamid, Special Advisor in the Emerging Technologies Group, both of Thirdware Solutions, delve into the future of smart mobility with host Zach Adams, a litigator at Tucker Ellis.  Kristin and Mo recently presented on the “The Business of Mobility” at the Automotive Futures Conference.  They are key members of the smart mobility team at Thirdware, which is a long-time automotive IT company.  Thirdware helps traditional automotive industry participants acclimate to the changing industry landscape, as traditional automotive companies seek ways to expand their revenue sources. 

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Thirdware Solution INC.

Kristin Slanina, (kristin.slanina@thirdware.com) biography 

Slanina, Kristin Schondorf, “Outmaneuvering disruption is the only way forward,” LinkedIn. (February 9, 2018)

Hamid, Mohammad (mohammad.hamid@thirdware.com) biography

Kristin Marie Slanina

Mohammad Hamid

Show Notes
1:45    Who is Thirdware?
3:30    Disruptive technologies in autonomous vehicles and new mobility
6:15    Ride sharing is the area of highest venture capital investment
8:05    What role will services play in the future of OEMs and Tier 1 suppliers?
11:05    Partnerships are to be critical in the future for OEMs and Tier 1 suppliers.
12:00    Time frame for investment returns needs to shift to a long-term horizon
15:45    To date, automotive companies have not been able to monetized
18:50    Partnerships and acquisitions have not yielded the hoped-for results
21:20    Leveraging data is the most promising business opportunity for OEM and Tier 1

Ride Hailing Launches 2019 Tech IPO Run

2019 is expected to be the year of the unicorn on Wall Street. A number of privately held companies valued at more than $1 billion are expected to launch initial public offerings in 2019. Lyft filed its S-1 registration statement to go public on March 1. Lyft has consistently lost money on operations, but its chief executive officer John Zimmer has long suggested that deploying autonomous vehicles will reduce their operating costs dramatically, leading to big profits. Lyft has started limited autonomous operations (level 4) in several cities, including Las Vegas. In addition to battling for market share in the United States, Lyft face strong competition globally since there are limited barriers to entry. Host Zach Adams discusses the future of autonomy and ride-hailing with a new voice, Raven Taylor, intellectual property lawyer Jay Campbell and business attorney Tod Northman.

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Show Notes
1:20 Background on the IPO Process
5:45 Fake it till you make it: IPO-ing while unprofitable
7:15 Ride hailing market
11:00 Will autonomous vehicles drive profit in ride hailing?
13:45 What to watch for this week for Lyft’s IPO
18:25 Waymo’s expansion in the Phoenix metro area

Allocating Liability for AV Crashes; Data Privacy; and Risk

Part II of Professor Bryan H. Choi's Interview

We continue our interview with Professor Bryan H. Choi, who has a joint appointment to the Ohio State University College of Law and Department of Computer Science and Engineering. Professor Choi and host Zach Adams, a Tucker Ellis litigator, discuss allocation of liability for crashes involving autonomous vehicles, explore the data privacy implications of autonomous vehicles, then consider how to alleviate fear of technological risk, both real and perceived.

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Resources

Choi, Bryan H., Crashworthy Code, forthcoming in Wash. L. Rev. (2019)

Choi, Bryan H., A Prospect Theory of Privacy, 51 Idaho L. Rev. 623 (2015)

Choi, Bryan H., The Anonymous Internet 72 Md. L. Rev. 501 (2012)

Nissenbaum, Helen, Privacy In Context: Technology, Policy, and the Integrity of Social Life (2009)

Omm, Paul, The Myth of the Superuser: Fear, Risk, and Harm Online, 41 UC Davis 1327 (2008)

Show Notes

1:22 Regulation for autonomous vehicles

4:12 Crashworthiness as an imperfect but useful approach to allocating liability

8:10 Who is responsible for implementing a system to regulate autonomous vehicles?

10:45 Insurance is a red herring

15:42 How to think about data privacy permutations from autonomous vehicles

18:00 Ownership of data in motor vehicles

27:00 Accountable algorithms and explainability

29:30 Vehicle hacking fears

32:45 Cybersecurity risks from remote operations

34:51 Perceived risks

35:45 Education will help alleviate fear of perceived technological risk

36:00 Warnings and giving people control over the technology will also help alleviate fear of hacking

Cyberlaw, cybersecurity, cyberspace

Exploring the interaction between the tort liability regime and cyberphysical systems

Jointly appointed in the Ohio State University College of Law and Department of Computer Science and Engineering, Professor Bryan H. Choi is uniquely suited to assess legal liability and regulation for autonomous vehicles. In the first of a two-part interview, host Zach Adams and Professor Choi explore how cyber systems disrupt legal systems, and in turn how legal constraints can channel and elevate the development of cyber systems. Professor Choi’s current work explores the interaction between the tort liability regime and cyberphysical systems such as self-driving cars.

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Resources

Choi, Bryan H., Crashworthy Code, forthcoming in Wash. L. Rev. (2019)

Choi, Bryan H., A Prospect Theory of Privacy 51 Idaho L. Rev. 623 (2015)

Choi, Bryan H., For Whom the Data Tolls: A Reunified Theory of Fourth and Fifth Amendment Jurisprudence 37 Cardozo L. Rev. 185 (2015)

Choi, Bryan H., The Anonymous Internet 72 Md. L. Rev. 501 (2012)

Choi, Bryan H., Note, The Grokster Dead-End 19 Harv. J.L. & Tech. 393 (2006)

Show Notes

1:58 Teaching law to engineering students

4:48 Lessons from Napster

5:40 Traditional legal rules still apply in cyberlaw

6: 50 Preparing students to practice when the law doesn’t yet exist

12:10 Exploring the current federal regulatory scheme for autonomous vehicles

13:50 Why software is an exception to traditional tort liability

15:10 Legal ramifications of software’s complexity

17:45 Software bugs in autonomous vehicles are inevitable

24:45 Crashworthy software

25:35 Software engineering is not traditionally considered a profession by the law

Tales from Disengagement Reports & Another AV Unicorn

California remains Ground Zero for autonomous vehicle testing, notwithstanding its regulatory scheme that requires companies that wish to test autonomous vehicles to obtain a permit and to file annual reports of “disengagements” experienced during testing. It’s a thoughtful approach that yields more information than the Department of Transportation’s “encouraged” annual safety report. Host and litigator Zach Adams discusses the just-released disengagement reports for 2018. With over 40 companies now testing, this is a rich field. We unpack the Apple disengagement reports in particular depth and chew on Timothy B. Lee’s provocative article about Waymo’s strategy. Finally, it has been a record-breaking month for autonomous vehicle companies with more than $1.6 billion raised in February 2019, and Tod discusses TuSimple and Nuro’s successful raises.

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Resources

Driverless investment tops $1.6B so far this month (February 15, 9201) (Eugene Demaitre author)

GM Cruise Averaged 5,200 Miles Between AV Disengagements (February 18, 2019) (Anthony Alaniz author)

Google’s Waymo risks repeating Silicon Valley’s most famous blunder (February 14, 2019) (Timothy B. Lee author)

How collaboration in the future of mobility will bridge the old and new, EY website (February 19, 2019) (John Simlett author)

Self-Driving Truck Tech Startup TuSimple Raises $95 Million in New Funding, WSJ (February 13, 2019) (Jennifer Smith author)

The Innovator’s Dilemma: When New Technologies Cause Great Firms to Fail (Clayton Christensen author)

Twitter thread (on Apple disengagements) (February 18, 2019) (Oliver Cameron author)

Show Notes

1:15 GM and GM Cruise are investing smartly

3:30 GM Cruise’s compensation strategy

5:20 Parallels between GM Cruise and Argo.ai

5: 50 Digging into investments in GM Cruise

11:50 Form factor for EV and AV – Where are the trucks?

13:55 Tesla strings together profitable quarters

17:37 Tesla acquires Maxwell Technologies

21:18 Tesla shrinks its workforce but draws muted reaction

23:18 Aurora raises $530 billion in a Series B24:30 Amazon jumps into autonomous vehicles
28:35 Ike – which is pursuing driverless commercial trucking – raises money to add talent